>> a rampage in ila vista. >> the santa barbara county sheriff is calling this a premeditated mass murder by a suspect who was severely mentally disturbed. >> around 9:30 pacific time last night, gunfire rang out from a suspected attacker, driving a black bmw. >> i heard somewhere between 12 and 20 shots. >> did you see the car? >> yes, he doubled back and exchanged fire. >> seven people are dead, seven others wounded. >> nine separate crime scenes that stretch over about eight blocks. >> we are not releasing the suspect's name until a positive identification can be made. >> police are also investigating a youtube video posted before the shooting spree that's been described as a manifesto and a warning, a specific warning. >> likely in a spree killing like this, the motives are going to surround revenge and hatred. he hates somebody and he's seeking revenge.

we want to update you on breaking news from santa barbara, california. new information on the deadly rampage in the small town of ila vista, which killed seven people, including the gunman, and injured seven others. the family of 22-year-old eliot roger has just confirmed to nbc news through their lawyer that they believe their son is the gunman. investigators are off to analyzing what could be the gunman's videotaped manifesto. this youtube video, entitled eliot rogers' retribution, posted yesterday, shows the alleged gunman sitting behind the wheel of a car ranting about girls not being attracted to him and vowing to punish them. the police say rogers' parents were aware of his youtube post and contacted authorities out of concern. he also suffered from asperger's syndrome, a mild form of autism. investigators have searched his home and are analyzing evidence from the nine different crime scenes near the uc santa barbara

campus. here's what one witness described what he saw. >> i saw a black bmw turn on to the street that i was standing on the corner of, and then i heard a popping sound. at first i thought it was the car backfiring, which was strange, i thought, because it was such a new car. and i heard it again, and then by that point, the car had pulled up in front of the deli mart, at which case i heard 12, somewhere between 12 and 20 shots into a group of people that were eating in front of it. >> let's bring in nbc's jennifer bjorklund. jennifer, what are deputies saying at this point? >> reporter: well, there's a lot of information out there, karen. the latest being that the gunman is believed to be 22-year-old eliot roger. and what you talked about earlier, the youtube video, there was actually a series of youtube videos with that one that they are calling the manifesto. some of which had been pulled down a few weeks ago when the family expressed concern about

their son. that was information that was posted by eliot roger, on his youtube page, saying that some of his stuff was apparently disturbing and he didn't want anyone to feel bad, so he took down the videos a few weeks ago, but there are plenty on there. and those are all being looked at by investigators, that are also looking over nine different crime scenes. this gunman exchanged gunfire twice with deputies before he crashed his car, just behind me, where they're cleaning up the scene and finishing up with their investigations back there. they're just -- they just towed the car away about an hour ago, and they are looking at everything, every shell casing, every witness statement, and all the information that they can get, even though they believe that the suspect is dead of a gunshot wound, they have six others who are also dead and seven others who are in the hospital. many of them students here at the uc santa barbara county in ila vista, where most students lived, if they don't live on

campus. it's a very, very active social community. a lot of people out at night. and apparently, according to the sheriff here in santa barbara county, this was the work of a madman. he knew that there were going to be a lot of people out in the street on friday night before the long holiday weekend. karen? >> now, jennifer, it's my understanding that later this afternoon out in california, there will be a press conference. do we expect to be updated on the status of these videos and the investigation? >> reporter: we do expect some updates. we are hoping to get some information on the people who are injured and who are in hospitals. a lot of the students here on i ila vista, you think there would be a little bit more word of mouth as to who was hurt and who was killed, but a lot of people walking around here today saying they just don't know. don't know if their friends are out of town for the long weekend or just unaccounted for because they're in the hospital. so there's a lot of worry and concern and fear among students here. it's definitely a shell-shocked community and they're hoping to get some answers later on this afternoon.

>> and jennifer, final question. is there any update on those seven victims who were in the hospital? >> reporter: we don't have anything official, but we've been hearing anecdotally from some friends of the victims. we've heard from one student who said her friend was outside, walked into the house, told his house mates, i've been shot. he was shot in the groin. he's in the hospital, he's expected to recover, but we don't have any official information, just because of the privacy laws, until they decide to speak to us. and we've heard from a few that are doing well and this one particular girl said her friend was, as always, joking around, just trying to get through it. but definitely, very, very shaken up after what happened last night. >> i can only imagine. jennifer, thank you. let's bring in jimmy chang, a ucsb student and reporter for the "daily nexus," as well as psychologist jeff gardere who joins me here in studio. thanks to both of you for joining me. >> thank you. >> jimmy, i want to start with you, because i know you were talking to folks who were on the scene last night. give us a sense of what people were talking about.

>> yes, ma'am. so, yesterday, i arrived at one of the crime scenes, near the 7-eleven in isla vista. i was conducting interviews for our school newspaper. i interviewed several witnesses and one victim that was shot at, but was not hit. >> and did people not realize, when did people realize what was actually happening? >> i, like -- >> i mean, it seems is -- >> it varies. >> i've read some accounts where people have suggested that they weren't hearing the sound of the gunfire, they weren't exactly sure initially that that's what that was. i'm just wondering if they've talked about when people realized and when you realized what was actually happening. >> well, me, personally, i was -- when i heard the gunshots, i thought it was firecrackers going off, because

where i lived, a crime scene happened where i lived a block from where i lived. i thought it was firecrackers going off. i was getting dressed to go out myself. and later i get a text from my employer saying, oh, stay inside. there's mass shootings going on. and then, soon, i went out to conduct interviews and a lot of people said the same thing, day did not what was going on until they saw it on social media, what a lot of them said facebook, a lot of them found out through facebook, about what's going on. and that's how, i guess, a lot of people found out including some of my close friends. >> and jimmy, i know it's a small community there, right nestled next to ucsb. i'm wondering, what's the mood there today? >> just a lot of anxiety, a lot of rage. people are angry. a lot of shock, sadness, disgust

at what they saw in the video and what happened last night. >> jeff, i want to talk about what we know. and i don't want to talk about the shooter too much, because i don't want to give him too much attention. but obviously, at a time like this, one of the first questions is, what would lead someone to do something like this? and as i just reported, we're learning new details about what may have been happening and about these videos that he had previously posted, that even his family found disturbing at one point. and we hear the same story, over and over again, that there were clues that were out there. if, in fact, the youtube videos were online, parents wanted to do something. i see this all the time, karen, the parents are helpless. they just cannot get what they need from the psychiatric community. they probably wanted him to be hospitalized, because he was dangerous to himself and to others. and maybe was not admitted.

but what we tend to see, someone who's been disaffected, someone who feels isolated. someone who blames everyone else, points all the fingers to everyone as to why they can't get along. we talked a little bit about asperger's, possibly. i can tell you that asperger's by itself, a mild form of autism, really doesn't weigh into this. what weighs into this is some type of a personality disorder and a lot of rage. >> and i think that's a very important point that i want to underscore, that we're not in any way suggesting that you know asperger's is any connection, at this point, to what happened. as you pointed out, there were a lot of other factors that went into this man's very troubled mind. >> that's right. >> thank you for pointing that out. >> sure. >> we do have a little bit of sound from one of the videos, and we're going to play it. i just want to warn folks, it is a bit disturbing. and it is something that we here at msnbc have really debated whether or not to show, because we want to be sensitive to not giving the shooter what he wants, and that is attention. but we do think that there is an

interest in understanding where this young man was coming from, so we're going to play just a little bit for you. >> i don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but i will punish you all for it. it's an injustice, a crime, because i don't know what you don't see in me. i'm the perfect guy. and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman. i will punish all of you for it. >> so, jeff, to what our just speaking to in terms of the kinds of characteristics that we did see, it does sound like he's blaming others for why he can't fit in or why he's not accepted by girls in the community. >> yeah, absolutely. and we see that rage, the seething rage, the narcissism, all part of a personality disorder. now, perhaps in some small way,

having some form of autism may have prevented him in being able to integrate, but we know that most people with autism, they have the support there. it sounds like his parents supported him, so, again, i would factor that out. i think the real issue here, this is a person who felt belittled, he felt like nothing, he blamed society for it. so now he feels that omnipotence to go out and just massacre people. but also, at the same time, knowing he would not make it back, either suicide by cop or suicide by his own hand. >> and i want to switch gears here or talk very briefly about both -- not just the victims and their families, but, obviously, this is a very small college town. i've actually been there myself. it has the -- we know this is having an impact on the community. talking about that, the anger, the various feelings that people are having. ucsb is going to be offering counseling services. what are some things that folks should be looking out for in terms of their own need to access, hey, do i need to go talk to somebody? >> what we're going to see

immediately, the people who have been affected either by having a friend or family member. of course, the extreme grief, buts a the post traumatic distress disorder. this is for anyone who's been exposed to someone who has lost their lives or who they feel, perhaps, were in danger themselves. so that's going to be happening in this town. it's a very idyllic town. so, you know, the threshold level here will be very low as far as them being disturbed as to what has happened. so the school will offer the counseling, the police will actually do a debriefing, getting the information, which will help as far as the catharsis, but what the counseling will be about is educating the community as to the silent symptoms of posttraumatic stress. post people say, okay, i can do this by myself, but they really can't. they have thing an zits, the dreams, the nightmares, with the flashbacks. this is something that is so traumatic. we see it all the time on the news and say, oh, yeah, another shooting. but unless you're there, unless you're witnessing that, unless

you're part of that community, it's a whole other ball game. so i would urge everyone who is part of that community or whoever has been part of this, and this is going to bring a lot of memories back, to at least connect with a family member, a friend, with a counselor. talk about it. >> and i do hope we get to a point in this country where we're not so, oh, there was another shooting, because it's happening way too often. jeff gardere and jimmy challenge, thank you both very much. msnbc will continue to follow this story as it unfolds, so keep it right here and we'll be right back with more "disrupt." i'm l-i-s-a and i have copd, but i don't want my breathing problems to get in the way of hosting my book club. that's why i asked my doctor about b-r-e-o. once-daily breo ellipta helps increase airflow from the lungs for a full 24 hours. and breo helps reduce symptom flare-ups that last several days and require oral steroids, antibiotics, or hospital stay. breo is not for asthma. breo contains a type of medicine

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all right. we are going to shift gears now to politics. and as you may have heard, a number of the gop's establishment candidates actually survived this week's super tuesday primaries. and all week we heard the narrative that the gop establishment won, the tea party

is over. but i'm going to disrupt that narrative. how can the tea party really be losing when trey gowdy is heading up a special committee on benghazi and darrell issa is still running loose in the capitol? sure, the establishment struck back, but they did so by moving farther to the right, signing on to what one writer referred to as a myriad of, quote, right-wing articles of faith. now, speaker boehner talked about this new cozy relationship. >> listen, there's not that big a difference between what y'all call the tea party and your average conservative republican. >> even freedomworks jumped on the bandwagon. in a statement from freedomworks' president, he said, quote, matt bevin's principled challenge helped senator mcconnell rediscover his conservative principles come november. competition always breeds stronger candidates and there is an improved conservative candidate heading into the general election as a result. so, as the establishment winners, like mcconnell, now

face their general election contests, the question is, will they also have to rediscover their old establishment selves in order to appeal to more moderate general election voters? and as a democratic strategy memo outlining this week, can democrats take advantage of that rightward shift, and make their case in enough races to remain control of the senate? our panel this afternoon, "the huffington post," sabrina, igor, and bob cusack, and politico's, mano rangi. >> so look at immigration reform, the reason it has not moved through the house is because of the tea party. boehner has tried to move an immigration bill, had been unsuccessful. so the tea party there, and you mentioned the benghazi panel, a lot of conservatives on that panel, including goudy, as well as jim jordan from ohio. so maybe the election wise, they have the establishment has won, but the tea party is still alive and well. >> so i was surprised this week

to sort of hear this narrative that they've sort of gone away when it's pretty obvious that they're still getting what they want. maybe they've gotten on board with the idea, okay, we need to win and we'll do what we need to do to win, but they're definitely still pulling some strings there. >> and in a place like kentucky, the tea party needs supporters to support him come november. there was a recent poll that said 25% of matt bevin supporters will support allison grimes in that race. was if he dull peel away enough, he'll win. so don't expect a lot of moderation from mitch mcconnell in the next few months. he'll hue to his conservative line, that's what he sees. you'll see that in conservative states across the country. >> you know, igor, todd perham wrote, quote, establishment republicans had a good night in

tuesday's round of primaries, but did so if part by adopting positions at odds with the long-term need to broaden the party support and move away from lit must test issues. a wide range of republicans see the party courting the same disaster it did in 2012, playing a base game that will keep it shut out of the white house. we've been talking about this for months and months and months. but it does seem that while on the one hand they won, maybe perhaps won the battle, they're still not in a good position to win the war. >> it's going to be hard for them, but now's the test. now that the primaries are winding down, they have nobody pulling them to the right anymore, will they moderate on issues like immigration, even allow little issues like allowing dreamers to become citizens in they're in the middle, allowing that to come to a vote. mcconnell on friday held a press conference, he was asked about repealing obamacare and went on a spiel, but then when asked about the exchange, he said, do you want to repeal the exchange, he said, that's unrelated to my

majority. so do we have it suggesting that the centerpiece is here to stay? we'll see if that position lasts, but maybe there's some movement there at least. >> sabrina, i think we're seeing that in a lot of races where they're trying to walk that fine line, knowing that people in kentucky like what's going on in kentucky, but still trying to use the mien of, anti-obamacare, but appealing to t base. >> they have to unify the party around some of these bigger ticket items. whether it's obamacare repeal or the benghazi committee reducing taxes, reducing the size of government, those are issues where the republican party broadly agrees they are, of course, overwhelmingly pro-life. and i think that in november, they have an advantage. they do have an off year elections, a turnout advantage and they know that. the house is, of course, going to remain within the republican's fold and the senate races are being contested in deeply conservative states.

they can get away with it in the near term. but when it comes to 2016, i think that's where this is going to come back to hurt them, because as bob mentioned, there are so many issues that remain stalled in congress, because they cannot diminish the influence of the tea party in these outside groups. >> igor, you wanted to weigh in. >> in 2012, their platform said, self-deport on immigration. in 2014, they released 11 new principles, one of them said legalization for undocumented immigrants. they are moving in some direction, and you saw all theeds marriage decisions come out this week, and republicans were silent on them. >> but the difference is that we're looking at a 2014 midterm versus 2016. the issue base is completely different for the midterms versus the presidential election. the republicans say, why put immigration on the floor right now when they think -- they see the offensive, the poll numbers looking good, they can take back the senate, grow their house majority. this is going to be an issue for them come 2016, because a lot of folks realize in the party, we need to get more hispanics if we're going to take back the white house. >> i want to talk about the

democrats in the context of 2014. because, obviously, they have a bit of a turnout disadvantage. there was a memo that was released the week, talking about the themes that they think they need to push. and one of them, they realized that they have to, banking on the fact that the gop has lower poll numbers, so there was a lack of trust on certain issues like equal pay. at the same time, they recognize that minimum wage and those issues, that's not going to be enough. so what's it going to take for democrats to leverage this opportunity with republicans, with issues stalled in congress, you know, some moderate voters, potentially who would turn out, not comfortable with some of these more right-wing positions. >> you know, i think it's kind of a race by race situation in a lot of these states. look at colorado, for instance. in that race, mark udall, the democratic incumbent senator is against cory gardner, a house republican. they view as bringing out women voters as critical in that race. so they are bashi ining cory gar over the issue of abortion. they think that's going to play very well in that electorate.

you'll see democrats across the country trying to use different issues that work well for their electorate. so it's difficult now, because nationally, there aren't that many issues that work well for democrats. so they're trying to make this a more local election, to see if that actually works in some of these states. >> and bob, one of the things that this research says they found interesting was talking about the shutdown, actually works. and while we're kind of done talking about it inside washington, outside washington, when you link it to sort of the benefits of holding office, it does have reticence with voters. >> i think voters have to make the case that they're looking out for the little guy. also, i think they have to bring up the government shutdown, because democrats were so -- they were thinking they could win back the house around that time and we had the website debacle. so they need to remind people about that government shutdown, but at the same time, republicans are looking at a decent year. and what sabrina said is right on as far as, republicans -- watch republicans after the election. this party has to change if they're going to win in presidential election years. are they going to move immigration? are they going to change?

because they can get away with not doing anything for the next several months, but they have to do -- so they cannot be the party of no. and republicans privately admit they are still that. >> manu, very quickly, the last stance of the tea party is in mississippi, a very strange race there. it seems that the tea party candidate could best cochran, the establishment candidate. then there are videotapes of people in nursing homes. what's your prediction there? >> i would be surprised if cochran loses, just given the amount of support he still has in the state. there are some polls showing that chris mcdaniel does have an edge, but the polling is sort of unreliable in that state. and this whole controversy about the snooping on cochran's wife in a nursing home, we'll see how that actually plays out come next week, june 3rd, which is the critical primary date there. but that is the one chance that the tea party folks do have an opportunity to take down an incumbent, someone who has not prepared for this kind of

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it seems nba owners can just not stay out of the headlines these days. donald sterling was back in the news this week, as he turned over control of the clippers to his wife, shelly, who has agreed to sell the team. reports indicate negotiations about this arrangement are ongoing with the nba, as mrs. sterling had at one point indicated a desire to keep partial ownership. but it was another nba owner, mark cuban, who found himself on the hot seat over provocative comments he made about race and bigotry, that also drew headlines and sparked a national conversation. cuban, who's the owner of the dallas mavericks, was asked during an interview to weigh in on the drama surrounding sterling. here's the part of cuban's comments that sparked an uproar. >> i know i'm prejudice, i know i'm bigoted in a lot of different ways. and i've said this before. if i see a black kid in a hoodie

at night on the other side of the street, i'm probably -- on the same side of the street, i'm probably going to walk to the other side of the street. if i see a white guy with a shaved head and lots of tattoos, aisle going back to the other side of the street. >> the backlash on social media was immediate. one person tweeted, mark cuban lives in a universe where he justifies his negro paranoia by saying, but i'm also scared of poor whites. another tweet, mark cuban just threw salt in an open wound. he should definitely not made a comment in regards to a black person in a hoodie. mark cuban apologized to the trayvon martin family saying, i should have used different examples, but i stand by the substance of the interview. here's a part of the interview that got lost in all in outrage. >> we've cot a long way and with that progress comes a price. where we're a lot more vigilant in what we -- and we're a lot less tolerant of different

views. and it's not necessarily easy for everybody to adapt or adapt or evolve. i mean, we're all prejudiced in one way or the other. >> in addition to the outrage, some gave cuban credit for speaking openly, if clumsy, about race and prejudice. my question, isn't that what we want? we want to foster conversation rather than shut it down? sabrina, igor, and manu are back with me and we're joined by faith jenkins. igor, i want to start with you, start with this idea, i think there's a real difference, obviously, between donald sterling and what he said and where mark cuban was going. and while cuban's comments were definitely, inelegant, shall we say, i do have a concern about this idea that if we're going to say we want to have conversation in the aftermath of trayvon martin, in the aftermath of all of these things, we've got to be willing for people to sometimes make mistakes in the way that they say it. >> i think so.

but he creates this false balance between a black person in a hoodie and all the history associated with that and a person with a tattoo. i don't know any great injustices that have done to people with tattoos. i guess it's good he's being honest, but when was the last time that mark cuban walked down a dark street alone and actually experienced this. i don't think it's happened to him recently. i don't know how true this is to his experience, or is it something that he has just kind of heard and is trying to put into the conversation? >> and one of the things that was a bit striking about him making the comments, i don't know how you can live on the planet, certainly in the u.s., and not been part of -- or heard about hoodies and trayvon martin, and i would imagine some of his very own players wear hoodies from time to time. >> it's certainly tone deaf being in the position that he's in and having to cast a critical vote on june 3rd on whether or not to impose this lifetime ban on donald sterling. i think a lot of these owners probably view that, you know, when they look at the donald

sterling case is that, maybe i may be in this position in the future. i may be in the -- you know, he said, mark cuban said, it's a slippery slope if we go down this road and impose this type of lifetime ban because potentially, i could be in this situation in the future, possibly not making racist comments, but something similar that could get me in the same situation in the future. so that's why you saw cuban spoke out. >> he'll be one of the 29 owners that will take this vote. he said that sterling's comments were abhorrent and obviously racist, but he did talk about this idea of the slippery slope, which i don't agree, and i think it's part of why people viewed what he said as a little bit suspiciously. he seemed to be the one owner who was publicly willing to say, hold on, maybe we should do this. >> well, what's particularly concerning is that i don't think a lot of nba owners disagree with mark cuban's comments, they're just not going to say it. they know this is an extremely

sensitive time and they recognize the league that they're a part of and how a lot of their players might feel, given the sensitivity around this conversation. that i think with cuban, on one hand, he's saying that the comments that sterling made are abhorrent. on the other hand, hays trying to parse these different levels of racism to kind of determine what's truly racist, sterling's comments are truly racist, but at the same time, we're all a little bit racist is the case we're trying to make. and that kind of hints at where he might lean when it comes to this all-important vote. and a lot of people like cuban live in these glass houses. they're wealthy, they haven't been in this position. there isn't a great deal of empathy for the players, and that's what's most concerning when it comes to this vote and how it might turn out. i'm not convinced they're going, based on what cuban said, that they're going to force sterling to sell his team. >> igor, this idea of, what's the right way to talk about race and the wrong way to talk about race, i want to play something we put together. because again, there's a real distinction to be made in terms of how we have this conversation. again, i believe that cuban was

inelegant in what he said, but i do think, if it's what's in his head and his hard, i would rather know that than not know that. but i want to play something is that i think illustrates the wrong way to talk about race. >> is there any accountability left in washington? are we supposed to hold the bar really low for president obama, simply because he's half black? >> i do not believe you are granted favorable treatment in this country because you are white. you have to work for success. >> rather than hammering down on zero tolerance policies and calling those racisracist, why t he have a call of action for african-american fathers to actually be fathers and not be baby daddies and take care of their kids and teach them to be good stewards in the community. >> now, talk about stereotypes of people of color. >> if there's anything positive in terms of the comments that he made, it's to remind us that these words translate into policies and into the unequal justice skpm some of the inequalities in the health care system. that's the policy implication. people in power like cuban think

this way. people in congress, shome of them, may think this way, and you have laws that create great disparities and many minorities. >> faith, part of this, now, so this week, apparently, now the wife has owned the team, but part of the issue with her, initially, was that she was implicated in some of the very same instances, not necessarily the comments that were made, but really, what i think were the large miscarriage of justice. and that is those housing liabilities. >> right, and adam silver has already said that if shelly sterling wants to keep a part of this team, that's not going to happen. so the only way that she's going to be able to go forward with a voluntary sale and have that leverage with the nba is if she's willing to relinquish any of the power that she owns in the team. the sterlings, i think, are realizing that they have an asset that it's its greatest value right now. and if they continue to hold on to it, it's going to diminish over time. players are saying they won't play for the clippers. a number of sponsors have already pulled out. so i'm hoping that this could be

part of the expedited resolution that the nba is looking for and perhaps they won't even have to get to that june 3rd vote, if she's willing to actually do a voluntary sale. >> how does that play into this whole idea, earlier this week and last week where she was trying to say, oh, we're estranged. which was kind of odd, because at the same time, she was trying to sue the woman who was the presume ed mistress. it's very convoluted. how does that from a legal perspective give into the legal right of this team? >> donald sterling can give anyone the right to negotiate on his baf. he's just saying she can negotiate on his behalf. so she can go in and do that. the question is, what does she want in return? is she going to try to keep a part of the team? adam silver is not going to allow that. they have the leverage now, if they do the negotiating, they can negotiate the price they want for the team, they can negotiate who they want this team to be sold to. the nba has the final say, but at this point, it's a matter of money. if you know that this team is going to be sold, and whether

you do it voluntarily or whether it's a forced sale, it is a matter of money, why don't you get the most you can from the team. and they're looking at $1 billion at this point. >> and it seems that a lot of the players would like to see this resolved as quickly as possible and quietly as possible. >> absolutely. and i think that's where sterling's wife comes into play. i know lebron james, and we're talking about the biggest celebrity in the game. he said that it would not be okay with him if anyone in sterling's family holds any share in this team. what happens to be is that this happened coinciding with the playoffs and now we're in the finals. the players are very focused on the game. they've worked all year for this. they haven't had the opportunity to have a more formal response. i think if the nba is not successful in forcing sterling and anyone in his family out of ownership of this team, then you will see players take up this issue. it is not going to go away. and that's why, i think, adam silver in particular has been very strong in his response thus far, because he knows that the vast majority of players in the nba will not stand for anyone in

the sterling family to be holding on to any part of this team. >> i think that's right. i think he knew that he had to be tough from the beginning and stay firm. all right, thank you to faith jenkins for joining us for this segment. the rest of the panel will be back. don't go anywhere, though. we've got much more "disrupt" ahead. and you can find us all week long on facebook or tweet us at msnbc disrupt. cars are driven by people. they're why we innovate. they're who we protect. they're why we make life less complicated. it's about people. we are volvo of sweden.

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substitute for the dignity of hard work. >> what is unemployment insurance? it is paying people not to work. >> we don't want a dependency culture. >> you know what my mom used to say, god rest her soul, when you're hungry, you'll figure out a way to eat. >> part of the problem is laziness as well, because they are accepting these unemployment benefits for very long periods of time. >> some of the most insurmountable obstacles that have to be removed are put in place in the first place by dysfunctional government policies. >> all of us should be happy about one thing, and it's that for the first time in human history, you have a country whose poor people are fat. >> liberalism simply doesn't work. >> there they go again. 50 years after president lyndon johnson gave his speech about the great society, many conservatives still oppose the core philosophy of the programs that it establish. that america is stronger with a social safety net for every american. now, this rationale is completely disconnected from the reality of how americans are living their lives today. and this week the war on the

poor kicked into high gear with a trifecta. first, a house subdeapproved a budget proposal for agricultural and food safety programs. a major target of those proposed cuts, summer food programs for kids. the proposal cuts the existing program from $85 million to $27 million and worst of all, they want to restrict the program from covering kids in rural and urban areas and only cover children specifically in appalachia. now, despite the fact that for some kids, this could mean they don't eat all summer. next, house republicans blocked a vote on a bipartisan deal from the senate, that would restore unemployment insurance and blocked it for more than 40 days. just this week, cosponsor democratic senator jack reed tried again to make the case for the nearly 2.8 million americans who have been affected and this comes as two new studies undermine and disprove the rationale of those who say extending unemployment insurance actually discourages people from finding work. and lastly in detroit, the koch

brothers backed americans for prosperity is fighting a state measure that would restore pension benefits to city retires who are left high and dry when the city filed for bankruptcy. so, how is it that the idea that pensioners don't deserve their pensions after a life of hard work and the long-term unemployed don't deserve help while they're actually looking for work? how is that good for anyone? my panel is back, and bob, i'll start with you, talking about detroit. a lot of us have covered this story about the demise of detroit and we're talking about municipal workers, cops, firefighters, and we're talking about a huge loss in their pensions. there's in deal on the table, money coming from lansing, and afp says, which is the koch-backed organization, says, sell the art first. sell off the water first, sell other assets before you take this money. >> yeah, this is where republicans have to be very careful, because with the auto bailout as well in michigan really hurt the republican party. and when it's hitting people in their everyday lives, the hill

is a washington-based publication, but we get calls from everyday americans who are saying, what is going on with the unemployment insurance. and so whether it's education or school lunches, we talked a little earlier about the little guy and who's fine with the little guy. republicans have this tough dynamic where they're trying to cut budgets, but they have to also make the case, i'm with you. and that's a tough sale. >> igor, americans for prosperity gave us a statement in response. they say, quote, detroit has had enough special favors and unfortunately with each bailout, it becomes less likely that city leaders will ever take responsibility and reform their policies. michigan taxpayers should not have to pay the price for the irresponsible behavior of city leaders in zroit. that's from scott haguerstrom. how is it that billionaires can tell pensioners that they don't deserve their $19,000 a year? >> the optics here is remarkable. the interesting thing is that every single rom in michigan who has constituents in michigan

voted for this. it's these national guys who have a problem for it, for who the war an ideological one, not a real one. >> apparently afp is going to try to put some pressure on the state senate republicans to block it. i would think they'll all vote vo for it. we will see. all right, school lunches. research from the no kid hungry campaign indicates that summertime is a time when kids are more likely to be -- where food is more scarce, right? so how do we -- what happened? how do we get to a piece of legislation that says, we're going to pull back this program and just cover one little sliver of the country? >> that's certainly they didn't expect, a kind of revolt, as soon as this was revealed last week. what the republicans say they're responding to is concerns from a number of schools who say that regulations are very costly to implement and they're trying to create at least some sort of waver process through the usda,

and allowing some of these schools to get out, if they do find in onerous. but that's the challenge they're going to face from folks who say, you know, this is actually good for healthy living, healthy eating. it putting children on the right track to avoid obesity. the challenge they're going to have to balance is, those kind of concerns with the concerns from the republican base, who were worried about regulations coming for the obama administration. >> but you know, sabrina, it strikes me, i think we've got a map that shows this. we're talking about -- it's pretty obvious, right? the bill was written in such a way, it's a sliver of an lapp a appalachia. into show this map. the rest of children in america are hungry too, so why do they not deserve food? >> the summer lunch program is already underfunded both in rural and urban areas. and whether this was an oversight on the part of republican or a deliberate move, the optics are terrible. i don't know why they wouldn't have thought this through and recognize that m thes would pint out, a lot of our constituents

are in rural areas and democrat constituents are in urban area. so was this accidental or deliberate? even with the benefit of the doubt, it's hard for the republicans to fight this image that they've created where they are not only gutting food stamps but trying to cut the woman, infant, and children program and now you have this school lunch program where they're favoring rural children over urban, low-income families. it fits into that narrative that the republicans are, in fact, the party of just a very few people and not the vast majority of the families who are in need. >> we are not going to get unemployment insurance, because we are running out of time, but there were two studies this week that sort of indicated when you go back and take a look at the numbers, those people who were not employed, they're still not employed. it's not that if you gave them unemployment insurance, they would somehow magically find jobs. i want to thank my panel today, that does it for me.

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